Open Thread

What's going on tonight?

Update [2008-7-23 4:20:58 by Todd Beeton]:National Enquirer? Really?



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The Brewers continue their historic march to the World Series.  Feel it!


by rfahey22 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 10:50:30 PM EST

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And for the first time in living memory the Democrats seem to be wiping the floor with the Republicans on foreign policy.  Shazzam!


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 10:53:19 PM EST
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Too Bad the Cubs will beat them for the Division Title and in the NLCS... Guess you Brewers fans can wait till next year.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:13:32 PM EST
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Curse you (again)!  We'll see about that.

Wisconsin deserves it anyway, what with the heartburn that Favre is giving all of us.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:18:45 PM EST
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Please... Ted Thompson brought this on himself.  Farve is acting like a tool, granted, but Thompson completely F-ed up this entire situation.  If Rodgers is too sensitive he can't take in camp competition, he shouldn't be in the NFL.  Thompson should have either said Farve could compete for the job OR told Farve he could seek a trade, but out of division.  

But hey anything that makes the Packers get weaker is a good thing to me... of course the Bears offense sucks so unless our Defense can do what it did in 2006, Minnesota is probably taking the division.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:30:32 PM EST
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TT is an idiot, this is true.  I would be fine with letting him "compete" for the starting job, if that allows everyone to save face.  But, that's probably too logical and so will never happen.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:37:14 PM EST
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Obama slipping? (none / 0)

The tracking polls plus some state polls are showing real decline in Obama's numbers.  The chart over at 538 shows a decline since around July 4.

Too early to tell if the trip abroad is being negatively received, but I think McCain, despite all his gaffes and misstatements is actually
running a really good negative campaign right now.

And I'm wondering if he had that "Dukakis in the tank moment" when he met Gen. Petraeus.  He's not running for Commander in Chief, so why be one?  
Other than that, he's had a really good trip but he's dropping in the polls.  Just my two cents.


by esconded on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 10:53:31 PM EST

Re: Obama slipping? (none / 0)

Ya' think?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 10:55:28 PM EST
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Re: Obama slipping? (none / 0)

McCain has hammered Obama on gas prices (even though they've dropped by 25-26 cents in my area
in the past few weeks).   The firewall of MI, PA, CO, NH, NM better hold up.

Actually, I think Obama needs Hillary on the ticket.  How else to get more Democrats to vote for him?  Edwards may be out as VP after another Rielle Hunter sighting.


by esconded on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:35:24 PM EST
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Re: Obama slipping? (none / 0)

Well the national polling ain't telling me much at them moment, and has been pointed out elsewhere McCain's national ad buys are up and Obama seems to be keeping his powder dry.  I'm not worried, at this stage.  And if you look at the EV polling we seem to be pretty well positioned, frankly.  Don't shoot 'till you see the whites of their eyes, eh?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:42:36 PM EST
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Re: Obama slipping? (none / 0)

I think tracking polls are crap.  In regards to the state polls, it really depends on when they were taken.  Obama had a semi rough patch there and is having a good run right now.  I have just given up obsessing about the polls until after the convention.  The primaries just about sucked the life out of me, and I cannot fully engage now or I will be a drunken lunatic come November.


by Xris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 10:58:35 PM EST
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Chris Bowers had a good post (none / 0)

about Obama's firewall; these are states that are absolutely necessary for Obama to get to 270 (Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Penn, Michigan, and New Hampshire).  He hasn't been behind in a poll in any one of these states in months and in some cases, his lead is quite substantial.  It may be time to panic if a poll is released showing a deficit in one of these states, especially Michigan, Penn, and New Mexico considering these three states should be in the bag.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:02:58 PM EST
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Re: Chris Bowers had a good post (none / 0)

I am not worried at all right now.  McCain has a lot more area to defend than Obama.  Also, volunteering here in Missouri there has been a pretty noticeable shift in his direction when I am out canvassing and doing voter registration drives.  I am not saying he is going to win here, but it feels a lot different than with Kerry.


by Xris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:08:10 PM EST
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AT some point though (none / 0)

xris, we've got to hear about how Obama is going to win an unexpected state, such as Missouri or Virginia.  I hear that a lot, McCain has more to defend and that Obama doesn't have to win a state but only make McCain spend money in it.  You don't get any electoral college votes if you lose by one, rather than seven.

I'm not worried yet because the aformentioned firewall is holding.  I'll start panicking if he falls behind in Michigan, Penn, or New Mexico.  These three states are indispensible for Obama.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:12:21 PM EST
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Re: AT some point though (none / 0)

I think he can win Missouri, but I rarely guarantee things.  I am going to bore you now with some info about MO:

I met with the Obama fellowship people a few weeks ago and they asked me, get ready for this, to help organize efforts in northern MO.  I grew up in northern MO and it is a poor rural area.  i don't know if a Democratic presidential candidate (outside of Truman) has ever set foot north of I-70.  He has events planned in the southwest and southeast part of the state (bible country) as well as in Rush Limbaugh's home town of Cape Girardeu (don't quote my spelling).  

Claire McCaskill won her senate seat by showing up in the red parts of the state and convincing just enough of them that she was not the anti-christ that Talent was making her out to be.  She then combined that with max turnout in the cities.  

By actually recruiting locals like me and by aggressively campaigning in the areas outside of KC, St. Louis, and Columbia, I actually think he has a good chance to win.  


by Xris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:23:09 PM EST
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Re: AT some point though (none / 0)

I forgot to add the one factor I am actually worried about.  The governor race is probably going to be Nixon versus Kenny Hulsof.  I expect Nixon to win, but Kenny is pretty popular among rural and religious voters, so he might get those who would normally ignore McCain to turn out.  But on the flip side, there are a lot of Bob Barr supporters around here, and he gets a decent amount of press.


by Xris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:26:36 PM EST
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Re: Obama slipping? (none / 0)

You only see your own bitter fantasies.

Obama is hitting home runs out of the park every day.


by Beren on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:13:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama slipping? (2.00 / 1)

Or it could be that McCain has outspent Obama on Advertising over the last couple of months and many swing voters are generally low info more swayed by ads than anything else.  Despite his ad advantage, he still isn't leading and when Obama opens the flood gates all is good.  Plus you are looking at LV polling... with the flood of new voters, LV models have been a bit off this year.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:16:09 PM EST
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Dukakis in the tank moment (none / 0)

was the picture of John McCain in the golf cart with the sign on the windshield that said "Property of #41 Hands Off."


by Susan from 29 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:59:49 PM EST
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Re: Obama slipping? (2.00 / 1)

"And I'm wondering if he had that "Dukakis in the tank moment" when he met Gen. Petraeus.  He's not running for Commander in Chief, so why be one?  

Hyperbole much? The shots with him and Petraeus smiling in the helicopter looked pretty presidential to me, but, then again, I haven't got my bitter primary glasses on...

And, not only is he running for CIC, he's got about 6 months till he IS CIC, and it sure looked like General David knew it.


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22:28 AM EST
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Re: Obama slipping? (none / 0)

Maybe I've been watching too much O'Reilly on Fox News.  The gyms where I work out always have it on.  But it seemed Obama was out of his element there.


by esconded on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:35:17 AM EST
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Re: Obama slipping? (none / 0)

"But it seemed Obama was out of his element there."

Well, you might have been in the minority.

Most of the reviews were, he was a pretty big hit with the troops, with the generals, with the civilian leadership he met with.

If you have some negative reviews, why don't you link them?

Marc Ambinder commented someone in the McCain camp's review of the tour with this simply phrase:

"We are so F'ed."


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:45:07 AM EST
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Anyone see Obama with Couric tonight? (none / 0)

She indicated earlier in the day that she was going to press him on the surge.  The narrative seems to have shifted the past two days from the effective "endorsement" of Obama's withdrawal plan by Maliki to whether Obama would have opposed the surge knowing what he knows now.

It's analogous to the question that was posed to HRC and Edwards about whether they still would have voted for AUMF; the difference being in the case of McCain v. Obama that Obama cannot answer negatively just as McCain cannot answer the AUMF question negatively.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 10:56:13 PM EST

McCain has responded (2.00 / 1)

to the potentially devestating news of Maliki's "endorsement" of Obama's withdrawal plan fairly effectively; it's up to Obama to change the narrative because I suspect Williams, Gibson, and Brokaw will try the same thing that Couric and Moran did regarding the surge.

Obama needs to get the focus of the interviews on the earlier judgment that he made about the resurgence of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, Maliki's "endorsement," or his initial opposition to the war, which has been his ace-in-the-hole from the beginning.  The "main" story coming from these interviews cannot be about how he opposed the surge.  


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:00:03 PM EST
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Re: McCain has responded (none / 0)

He looks desperate, personally... and it's too early for the polls to register the success of his trip, but I wonder if the Maliki endorsement is doing him more harm than good.  Now that it seems that withdrawal of some sort is inevitable, a lot of what attracted voters to Obama (i.e. get out of Iraq) is missing...

Does anyone have any ideas why Obama's polling numbers are dropping?  Nothing really weird or bad happened last week...  what's going on?


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:12:46 PM EST
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Re: McCain has responded (none / 0)

By, "He looks desperate," I mean McCain...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:13:23 PM EST
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Re: McCain has responded (2.00 / 3)

McCain's emphasis on the surge may have some temporary benefits as a distraction from less favorable news. However, as a longer-term point of emphasis, it is likely to fail horribly. You see, by constantly emphasizing how well the surge has gone and how safe it has made Iraq, McCain makes Iraq less of an issue. If things are looking so great over there--as McCain constantly preaches--then it's much easier to accept withdrawal, thus making Obama's phased withdrawal seem all the more responsible and popular (and, the general idea of withdrawal is already popular). Furthermore, because Iraq seems more stable and less fragile, Iraq in general will become a less important issue for voters. It's conventional wisdom at this point that McCain's pathway to victory requires making Obama appear too risky for these perilous times. However, McCain is making the argument, a bit indirectly perhaps, that the times are not so perilous anymore--at least not in Iraq.

And, with respect to Afghanistan, the narrative (rightly) holds that McCain has moved toward Obama's long-held position. So, it's tough for McCain to argue that Obama's proposals are unacceptably wrong-headed or risky. In fact, McCain primary beef with Obama is that Obama, by proposing unilateral strikes on Al Qaeda under limited circumstances, wants to kill Osama bin Laden too much. Hah. McCain is soft on terror!

And, most importantly, if McCain isn't benefitting from these wartime challenges, then he's screwed. He has openly admitted that he's weak on economic issues. Because of the Heller decision, gun issues probably aren't going to matter much this year. Social issues, too, are less prevalent in this election. And, even if they were, McCain leaves much of the evangelical base cold. And, on just about every other issue, McCain suffers from in incohesive message and policies.

Add to all this the fact that he's running in Bush's shadow and against a remarkably charismatic, intelligent candidate (with lots of money and a better-organized campaign), well then it becomes even more apparent that McCain needs international turmoil to have a chance. Again, he must show that electing Obama is dangerous. He tried it today with his claim that Obama would deliberately lose a war to win an election, but that comment has actually backfired because McCain's brand depends on some amount of integrity, and that was just over-the-top and classless.


by DPW on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:33:57 PM EST
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Re: McCain has responded (none / 0)

Great comment (it's better than half the diaries around here).

Well said.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:59:43 PM EST
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Re: McCain has responded (2.00 / 1)

The embarassing part is that Jonah Goldberg took a similar view of McCain's surge emphasis in today's LA Times. I had hoped to never agree with Jonah, but I think he was right.

And, I think it's telling that even the National Review crowd has reservations about McCain's constant emphasis on improved conditions in Iraq. They know how much their party's success has depended on fear and the illusion of threats. And, not just the threat of terrorism; this strategy extends to all kinds of so-called threats such as immigrants, gay love, the war on Christmas, trial lawyers, elitist technocrats, hippies, etc. And, they're brilliant at it, you have to admit. We, on the other hand, can't generate nearly the same concern over real threats like global warming or abuses of executive power. What gives?  


by DPW on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:15:14 AM EST
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Re: Anyone see Obama with Couric tonight? (none / 0)

Perhaps overshadowed by McCain's complete mishandling of a matter of public record on the success of the surge vis the Anwar 'awakening' which is hard to describe otherwise than as either knavish or foolish.  CBS was so embarrassed for him they edited it out of the interview.  Olbermann, not so much.  The CBS transcript made it to the web, though.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:04:28 PM EST
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Let's see if the press (none / 0)

runs with it; it's a pretty big mistake though I question whether Americans will put much value into the mistake.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:05:57 PM EST
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We'll See (2.00 / 3)

In the meantime, enjoy the moment:


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:14:27 PM EST
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Re: We'll See (none / 0)

Boy how reprehensible.  The producer, editor, etc should be fired for that.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:20:32 PM EST
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Re: We'll See (none / 0)

Yeah, CBS really stuck their necks out there.  I wonder if there isn't a professional code of conduct that prohibits such blatant editing, it's a shocker.  And then they posted the genuine transcript and clip, anyhow.  Colour me puzzled.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:24:35 PM EST
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Re: We'll See (none / 0)

I'll bet the editor or producer or news head are McCain supporters.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:26:28 PM EST
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Re: We'll See (none / 0)

And the web staff, not so much, eh?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:30:35 PM EST
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Good work, Shaun! (none / 0)

Mojo to you.


by Beren on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:23:19 PM EST
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Re: Good work, Shaun! (none / 0)

It was Hootie's catch, with an assist from DPW.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:26:25 PM EST
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Re: We'll See (none / 0)

We need to call and complain about this to CBSNEWS.  Do what the GOP did in 2004 to Dan Rather... except THIS complaint is legitimate.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:33:34 PM EST
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CBS Feedback Form (2.00 / 1)

It only takes a minute.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:46:04 PM EST
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press him on the surge. (none / 0)

Obama quite rightly points that the Sunnis had begun cooperating before the escalation was even suggested.

But in the end, he's made the "surge has worked" talking point (true or not) work to his advantage by linking it to his own withdrawl proposal, now backed by the Iraqi government.


by Beren on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:19:37 PM EST
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Re: Where things stand... (2.00 / 1)

By insisting that Obama visit Iraq, McCain actually helped out Obama's foreign policy standing.  Followed by McCain's geography difficulties, Obama seems to be on cruise control politically.


by nzubechukwu on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 10:56:25 PM EST

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Just got done with my nightly round of fundraising calls. Did I miss anything good?

http://votekoehn.com


The best sig is no sig.
by Noonan on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:08:18 PM EST

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The Rasmussen poll of Ohio confirmed my worst fears about the state.... that the racism of this backwards place will just be too tough to overcome...  10 points is how much Hillary won the state by, so it's scary to see that mirror image again in the GE...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:09:42 PM EST

Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

its one poll and its july.  I didn't like seeing it either, but he has plenty of time.


by Xris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:10:53 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

It contradicts every other poll out there, and it was done in one day.  Let's just see what's going on.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:12:37 PM EST
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C'mon on man (2.00 / 1)

calling a state racist just because Obama is potentially struggling in it is bs.  Would Iowa be sexist if HRC was down eight to McCain at this point even though Obama won the state by eight points?  Claiming racism is a cop-out though I acknowledge that may be true in other states.

The difference in the PPP poll and the RAsmussen poll is due completely to the white vote.  Obama is only getting 21% of the white vote in Rasmussen while getting twice that in the PPP poll.  Something gives, let's hope PPP is right.  This poll is another call for HRC.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:16:21 PM EST
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Re: C'mon on man (none / 0)

I would bet that both are wrong and its closer to even or Obama by less than 3% at this point.  


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:25:40 PM EST
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Re: C'mon on man (2.00 / 1)

I live here... I've seen it!  Even in supposedly "liberal" Cuyahoga County...  There are still Hillary signs around...  The state is simply hostile to an Obama candidacy, and believe me, there are a ton of people I know who you'd never think would use the N word, use it every day.... especially older democrats, who say, "I've never voted fro a republican in my life, but I won't vote for that N***"

Cleveland is the most segregated city in the country... yes, the country!  Race is a huge problems in this state and the democratic strongholds of Dayton and Cincinnati.

This always has been, and always will be, hostile territory, and racism is a huge factor.


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:44:15 PM EST
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Re: C'mon on man (none / 0)

I thought Gary, Indiania and St. Louis were more racially segregated than Cleveland.  the only reason I know that is because I like to make fun of St. Louis a lot.


by Xris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:45:53 PM EST
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Re: C'mon on man (none / 0)

It looks like you are right... WE were the winner a few years ago, but have dropped down to fourth last year...

My apologies for the misinformation... it was based on old data.


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:50:06 PM EST
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Re: C'mon on man (none / 0)

Don't apologize, I am ashamed that St. Louis is up there.  But it is just one of the many reasons that my home state makes me sad.  


by Xris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:51:26 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

I guess you missed the PPP poll that had Obama up by nearly as much the day before.  It was a poorly done poll... wait until you see confirming polls... This is why we look at averages and not single polls.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:24:08 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

I do not trust PPP.  They had Obama winning in PA.  PPP is good in states like NC, where the demographics favor him, but in a place like Ohio, where the demographics are more like PA, they can't be trusted.

I trust Rasmussen on this one... especially considering what I'm seeing and hearing on the ground here.


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:45:49 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

by winning in PA, I meant in the primary...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:46:11 PM EST
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Then this election (2.00 / 1)

will not be a blowout; it's pretty difficult for Obama to get over 300 electoral college votes if he cannot get Ohio because you claim it is too "racist."  If so many people have that mindset that you claim, he probably cannot get Florida or Missouri either.

Is it your opinion that this election will be close given Obama's "difficulties" in some of these big states?


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:51:06 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

exactly. The same thing happened a month ago in Florida. The polls are all over the place.


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 06:09:08 AM EST
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It's just one poll among many and... (none / 0)

months before the election.

The fact that McDesperate is in full daily attack mode tells you where he knows the campaign to be.


by Beren on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:26:41 PM EST
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Re: It's just one poll among many and... (none / 0)

what do you think the long term implications of a 24/7 negative campaign are on McCain?  Does it drive Obama's numbers now for a few months or does it slowly erode Mcrusty's favorable ratings and hurt him?


by Xris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:28:14 PM EST
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Re: It's just one poll among many and... (none / 0)

I don't know... it worked well for Hillary...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:46:50 PM EST
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Re: It's just one poll among many and... (none / 0)

Just to be a butthead I'll point out that she ended up losing.  If she had campaigned in the beginning like she did the last month and a half she would have probably won.  

I get your point though.


by Xris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:48:40 PM EST
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Stop spinning Xris (2.00 / 1)

c'mon you know better than that, HRC did not run a "24/7" negative campaign; Obama talked more about her than she talked about him in their townhalls and rallies.

By contrast, McCain is obsessed with Obama and every sentence that comes out of his mouth relates to Obama.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:53:39 PM EST
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Re: Stop spinning Xris (none / 0)

Robert Novak stated why.  McCain's strategists believe that if the election is about McCain, McCain loses... if it's about Obama, he has a chance...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:20:01 AM EST
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Re: Stop spinning Xris (none / 0)

How was I spinning?  She did run an incredibly negative campaign against him from Feb.-April because he was winning.  She backed off at the end and in the beginning she ignored everyone because she was the front runner.  And yes, Obama was negative on her in the beginning because he was losing.

Everyone wants to win and almost everyone goes negative, even Hillary.


by Xris on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 09:43:48 PM EST
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the long term implications of a 24/7 negative cam (none / 0)

It's the boy who cried wolf syndrome. This is how a losing campaign should behave in the final months. That McDesperate is doing so now is a sign he knows he's about to fall so far behind in the areas he must win as to never catch up.


by Beren on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:10:27 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

I think that poll is a little extreme but I got some good insights on another thread, and I think Ohio WILL be tough for Obama, not that it would have been a slam dunk for Senator Clinton either.

Still, I would be surprised if Obama can't cut into that lead a bit...


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:26:24 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Suprisingly, I think that Hillary would have won easily here... not sure why her message resonated here so much, but it did.  I still see Hillary signs around.

I agree with the Hillary supporters... she would have won Ohio easy... problem is, she could have easily lost WI, IA, and MN, so it's not necessarily a slam dunk...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:22:02 AM EST
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Pawlenty must feel (none / 0)

pretty chapped now that Romney has seemingly stolen his thunder.  Ambinder all but called Pawlenty as McCain's VP a couple of months ago.  I suspect he would easily be McCain's VP had HRC won the nomination but Obama made it unlikely that Pawlenty could offer McCain too much in terms of regional impact.

McCain has some really tools on his VP list according to politico: portman, thune, ridge, cantor, romney, and crist.  I say Obama should go big-name to show-up any tool that McCain puts up by running a rock-star ticket.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:21:33 PM EST

Re: Pawlenty must feel (none / 0)

"McCain has some really tools on his VP list according to politico: portman, thune, ridge, cantor, romney, and crist"

Natalie Portman? It might help McCain with younger voters and Star Ward geeks but I don't think she meets constitutional requirment age-wise.


by alexmhogan on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 09:27:19 AM EST
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