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Yes, No Clark (2.66 / 3)

On several occassions Clarkies have stuffed MyDD polls of this nature, either for "other" or for "Clark." Thus, he was left off the poll so I could do a better gauging of sentiment.

If you want to blame someone for this, blame the stuffers.

by Chris Bowers on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 04:35:30 PM EST
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Re: Yes, No Clark (2.50 / 2)

Chris that is a pretty lame excuse.  It's an online poll man.  that happens to almost every online poll i have ever voted in.  Now, Chris, could you imagine if cnn.com decided to ask a poll question but decided that since all these lefty liberal bloggers "stuffed" it, next time we're not going to put a choice they like.  Chris, you'd be so pissed off it wouldn't be funny.  But it's okay for you to take Clark off, I see.  
And also, why don't Feingold's people come over and vote for him, or Hillary's?  HMMM, maybe because they don't have that support.  
by JAmbro on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 04:43:34 PM EST
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Re: Yes, No Clark (2.66 / 3)

This poll serves a purpose for me--trying to gauge netroots sentiment among certain candidates. If I left the poll open to obvious stuffing options, I wouldn't learn anything. I'm trying to learn something from this that could be important to what I do during the Presidential campaign. I'm sorry that this means your guy got left out, but finding out what the netroots are thinking is important to me.
by Chris Bowers on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 04:48:57 PM EST
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Re: Yes, No Clark (2.50 / 2)

Come out and say it Chris, come on, you don't like Clark and you don't want him getting any support.  That's what it seems like man, sorry.  If the netroots really wanted someone else they'd come here and vote too, but they didn't.  

It's good to know you don't consider clarkies netroots.  

by JAmbro on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 04:53:16 PM EST
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Oh, for crying out loud (2.50 / 2)

I explained my reasons for leaving Clark out pretty clearly. If you want to make up nefarious motives on part, then whatever. Do you think I am wildly supportive of everyone on this list? Do think I like Clark less than everyone on this list? I can tell you right now that Clark would be higher than at least two or three people on this list if I was voting condorcet or IRV. I left him out because I am trying to learn something, and if the poll was stuffed I wouldn't learn jack. If that isn't good enough for you then fine, keep assigning motives for me.
by Chris Bowers on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 04:58:09 PM EST
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Re: Oh, for crying out loud (none / 0)

Chris, look, i apologize if I'm assigning you motives.  I just think that he has more support than what you and jerome are giving him credit for.  The netroots is a large community, and if there is a ton of Hillary support, they'd come here and vote, and same with Feingold, which it looks like they are.  Again, i'm sorry if i misrepresented you're thoughts, but Clarkies are never gonna shut up about it if there General is not on the list!!
by JAmbro on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 05:03:26 PM EST
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I know that I always answer the call to vote (3.00 / 1)

That shows how much support our guy has.  People are willing to answer the call and viote for their man!

What a man, what a man what a mighty good man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Wesgal on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 07:14:47 PM EST
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Re: I know that I always answer the call to vote (3.00 / 1)

OK; I'll bite.  What is it about Clark that makes you think he really could win?  Does he have the passion to get the message across?  What is his message?  Clark is great on symbolism, but didn't leave me feeling like he has the tenacity to stand up to the mighty forces that have honed the right.  Not to knock him down, but he just doesn't do it for me.  I thought the poll was actually telling in a different way; there is not anyone that stands out in the crowd.... yet!  Once the message is tuned and we get some momentum in 2006, then we will see who has the right stuff to take on the task.  The voice must not just come from what we symbolize, but rather from someone who has the passion as second nature.  If we have learned anything from this last election, it is that a man can be crafted around symbols.  Our challenge will be to find a man that symbols are crafted after.... then we will have found our "real deal".  
by wmkrayer on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 09:30:18 PM EST
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Re: I know that I always answer the call to vote (none / 0)

What's his message?  

I'd say it's: Strength through Reason.  

We're stronger when we're together.  And if we allow reason to rule, we'll find that we're not that far apart.  Apply this within the USA and we do away with red vs. blue.  Apply this across nations and we do away with war.  The brain is mightier than the sword.  Although the sword does come in handy when trying to get people to use their brains, the final solutions are always achieved by brains, not swords.

by ICantBelieve on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 12:26:00 PM EST
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Re: I know that I always answer the call to vote (none / 0)

Well, he has ME motivated.  He doesn't really have to do it for you, OR me--he has to do it for the most Democrats and leaners in the primaries.  My bet is that you will be surprised at how many he motivates in 2008.
by paul minot on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:17:59 AM EST
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Re: Yes, No Clark (none / 0)

You do realize that your logic is wrong, don't you?
by ICantBelieve on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 06:41:09 PM EST
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Perhaps he has read sites like this. (2.00 / 1)

http://chat.forclark.com/story/2005/2/4/135734/8431

I don't blame Chris for not putting him on the poll.  Now this site for some reason is starting to go after Howard Dean again.  Why?  Why would they do that?  

The last few days they have put up some pretty scathing stuff.   It is just not necessary right now.  Why would Clark people online be so determined to mess up polls, and so determined to post anti-Dean stuff just as he is closer to the chair position.

Our local people who supported Clark are not that way.  They are great activists just like our DFA folks.   This really concerns me, that the online and real persona of Clark supporters is so different.  

by concerned democrat on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 05:28:09 PM EST
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Re: Perhaps he has read sites like this. (none / 0)

Mess up polls?  By VOTING in them?

Give me a break.  Furthermore, what, don't you guys own calculators?  If you don't like the Clark votes and you want to see who the non-Clarkies are supporting, all you have to do is normalize him out.  If you need some help with 6th grade math, let me know.  All you're getting now is a poll of everyone's second choice.

Just out of curiousity, how many people voted in all the polls that Clark won, anyway?

by ICantBelieve on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 06:11:32 PM EST
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Re: Perhaps he has read sites like this. (none / 0)

BTW, if you took the time to really read CCN, you'd see that not everyone there is going after Dean.  Some people there really like him and some people there really don't.  More people really don't like him because of the way Dean placed the "He's a Republican" meme on Clark which really hurt. Even so, there are a lot of people over on CCN defending Dean.

Furthermore, it's not fair to judge CCN on a couple of days worth of posts.  Dean did hurt us and now Dean is going to be DNC Chair.  It's perfectly reasonable that there would be a few days where people would be upset.  Those people will get over it and what little Dean bashing there is will stop.

And what does any of that have to do with whether Clark should be in this poll?  

by ICantBelieve on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 06:45:24 PM EST
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Absolute bullshit argument. (3.00 / 2)

If you were being truthful then Warner would be on that list.

What complete horse shit.  Plus, if netroots were such a factor then Dean would've been the nominee not Kerry.  

by alexm on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 05:35:33 PM EST
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Re: Yes, No Clark (none / 0)

What?  How does leaving Clark out help you gauge sentiment?  If you honestly thought Clarkies were stuffing the poll for Clark and you wanted to gauge the sentiment of everybody else, then all you'd have to do is renormalize the percentages without the Clark votes in there.

Instead, now you've created a poll that tells us who all the Clarkies would have as their second choice.  Is that what you wanted?

by ICantBelieve on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 06:39:35 PM EST
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Re: Yes, No Clark (1.00 / 1)

It's HIS FREAKIN POLL!!!!  IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO INCLUDE ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE THEN FINE...IT IS HIS CHOICE.  MAKE YOUR OWN POLL AND INCLUDE WHO YOU WANT...OR DON'T VOTE IN THIS ONE.  EITHER WAY, GIVE IT A REST.  YOU ARE AS BAD AS THE WINGNUTS WHO RAIL AGAINST HOWARD STERN, TV AND ANYTHING ELSE THEY DON'T LIKE...DO AS THEY SHOULD DO..IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T TAKE PART.
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 08:54:03 PM EST
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Re: Yes, No Clark (3.00 / 1)

I'm a Clark supporter. Does that make me a stuffer? Hmmmm. Well, I can't vote in this poll anyways because the poll comes up with the results already there. l0l! Guess that's one way to make sure no one "stuffs" it! ;)
by jen on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 08:58:06 PM EST
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